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I had this problem for so long and the solution is so very simple. So below is what you see while you work but you zoom in and you see tones. You export and it's still grey right? Well there's only one small step to do.
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Go to the layers panel where the screentone layer is. Right click, go to rasterize and click. When it asks to keep original yes or no, select 'Yes' just in case you need to change the dot size. And you should then see this as a result and it should be the same when exporting.

Untitled-2 by DraconianRain

I see this problem often on DA where everything else like materials is showing  up screentone and the rest of the art seems to be greyscale painting and it looks odd. The solution is simple. Like photoshop all the layers need to be rasterized for export. I like to put my tones in a folder since it doubles up so much. There is also the method of using tones as a pen that I didn't mention in my first tutorial because it's been covered so much already on DA and youtube. Anyway I forgot about this little tip that proves to be a big help later on when publishing if you publish or even just for posting to the net.

Hopefully this helps and as always don't be shy if you have a question <3 Ask away ^w^
For those having trouble getting their screentones to show up instead of appearing as a flat grey colouring.
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karkatkayla Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
may I ask how to you draw on the raster layer in the background where it's gray and white squares I only have one layer on and it still wont let me color do you possibly know why?EQG Sunset Shimmer Oh Yeah Plz 
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am pretty sure I know why. Please tell me which version of Manga Studio you are using.
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karkatkayla Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I am using manga studio 5 & clip studio paint pro  ( i put the full name cause i wasnt sure if there was different manga studio 5's)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's ok. It sounds like you are trying to use the background layer which is a non editable layer or it could just be locked which is easy to undo. Could you possibly send a screen cap? I won't totally know until I see, incase you've enabled a specific setting that locks the layer.
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karkatkayla Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
okay I understand i fixed it by adding a raster layer and drawing over that thank you.
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome ^W^ Glad I could help and sorry I took so long to reply.
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karkatkayla Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No problem I understand.
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DeathangelMidnight Featured By Owner Edited Jul 19, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist
I'm in trouble using Screentones, the thing is when i use circle pattern with 60 lines, i see a crosspatch pattern even if i zoom out to 5%, on other videos i've seen people making tones look as smooth as grey shade effect even if they have 50% zoom (like the first patch in the above post). BTW i use Manga Studio ex 5.
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sometimes it's the viewer which is why it's always a good idea to export and view in an external picture viewer. This cross patching would not show up in print on paper, it's more an optical illussion when viewing it digitally and most times it's not actually happening, it's just how it's being displayed in the program. The dots are actually flawless tones but represented terribly digitally.

First try viewing  in windows picture viewer or if you have a printer, print off the page to make absolutely sure if it's actually creating a crosspatch pattern. If it's still there then you need to alter the angle of the tones in the layer properties window panel. If you don't have this open you can enable it in the Window menu. The standard angle is 45 degrees but sometimes it looks better when it's set to 60 or 100 degrees and can generally fix the strange appearance.
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DeathangelMidnight Featured By Owner Edited Jul 20, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist
THANKEW very much :) the change of angle solved it !!! i figured out another thing, the mask image option in effect range did the similar job i wanted, can u plz tell about the difference it makes? The windows viewer shows the patterns so i guess its ill digital presentation :P  if printing solves that i'll let u knw :)  thaq very much again for ur help :)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem. I can't explain exactly how and why it works out since it's more on the technical coding side of programs and how they work and display. Also I'm really glad I could help <3 ^w^
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DeathangelMidnight Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist
the print is smooth too. Thankew again a gallon lot :) . i wish i could help u too but i'm a student and currently preparing to get into animation (which my dad dont support) so i'm so very sorry for my uselessness, i hope u reach ur goals soon :)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't have to do anything for me at all. I'm here to help anyone at any time ^w^ :heart:

Also wow, what kind of animation? I'm doing 2D. Been learning it on my own and I'm almost good enough to open commissions. I wish you the best of luck.
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DeathangelMidnight Featured By Owner Edited Jul 24, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist
Thank u and Voila i'm also learning myself :) I'm not doing animation... i want to do and i'm preaparing for now, in my country (india) i have to give an exam after graduation and then if i pass the exam then the institute ( IIT ) will call for interview n then select me for learning animation. For now i'm making my own manga for my portfolio :P . I'd like to trouble u a bit more plz. recently i'm not being able to export my pages from  MS Ex 5 by save as method. everytime i export it goes upto rendering and says
" Failed to save file.
If this message is displayed several times again, select [SAVE AS] in [File] menu and change the location to save files.
If the folder which synchronizes files with outer storage or online storage, is designated as a location to save , designate the other location."
i have tried everything from changing names to changing designation to like even in C drive now :(
what do i do with this ? i cant export my pages :(
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I meant what type are you going to learn. 3D or traditional 2D animation? Also good luck I hope you get in.

Have you tried saving to desktop? And I find it's better to use Export single layer or Export As rather than save as. Also when is the last time you upated your version on MangaStudio 5? The original is called Clip Studio and it recently had an update patch. Perhaps look into updating it since I remember having the very same issue in the earlier versions. It's a program bug more than something that you might be doing wrong. Also try saving before saving as. That use to work when I had this issue but it no longer exists since updating.
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amaita97 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Student
Hello, I need help please. The problem is that although in the display color of the layer I select "color" instead of "greyscale", it does only paint in shades of the color selected below where it says "alternative color of black". By the way I have Manga studio 4 EX. 
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Could you screencap this please? I'm not quite understanding what's going on.
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amaita97 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Student
Oh don`t worry, I have already solved my problem, but thanks for your concern ^^
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Klowdenite Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi all, in my current program, Manga Studio 5, I recently could not color. When I would pick a color on the triangle color wheel, for example red, it would show up as different shades of grey. (white = light color, black/dark grey = dark color) Thanks for the help!
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sounds like one of two things has happened. Either you're in greyscale mode and need to turn back to RBG mode or you're on the masking layer which can only be used in greyscale. For further help please note me!
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Klowdenite Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Where do I find to find greyscale mode to change back to RBG mode? Thanks for the help!
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Which verson of MangaStudio are you using?
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Klowdenite Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Manga Studio 5
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok it will either be in the layer property window where there's a drop down menu for you to adjust or you can right click your layer, change layer type, then change it from grey to colour. If this is too confusing please let me know and I can add on a picture step by step to this current tutorial for you.
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Klowdenite Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, that would be very helpful. I could not find the "change layer type". Appreciate the help very much. ;)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry I'm taking so long. Things are a little difficult at the moment. Hopefully I'll be posting the snap shot stuff today
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Klowdenite Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry for the late notice, but I figured it out. Sorry for the inconvience.
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MajorBrons Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is a different sort of question and I'm not even sure I can describe in a way that makes sense, but I'll give it a shot.
I work in gray tones and whenever I export my page all my white tones are blown way out.
What I mean is, I'll have a ring of light made with a soft brush tool and low opacity, but when the page is exported the softness and gradients are gone and it's just a giant white ball.
Do you know what I mean? Am I making sense? It's really annoying to put a whole bunch of time into something and then see it changed for the worse.
Please help?
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know exactly what you mean and it's an extremely irritating and unpredictable issue. There's two thing I can recommend, after that if it's still not working please consider adding me on skype and sending the file to so I can look at what is happening and try to help you further. It was only a few months ago this was happening to a friend and after a bit of tweaking with the export settings we solved it. Honestly this is why I switched to Clip Studio Paint.

1. Don't alter the size settings, leave everything at 100%, sometimes it happens if you try to resize on export. Export image file in Pixels and then change these settings. Change the file type to photoshop document and just below that is a settings button. Make sure keep layer structure for output is selected. Hit ok. That's the only setting you need enabled. Make sure under Finish Info all three settings are selected. Go into Tone Settings and make sure output all in halftone dots and adjust according to output resolution are selected. After these settings are changed, export as a PSD. Take it to another program like Photoshop or GIMP and it should be fine.

2. Other option, save a copy like a second version. Merge all layers in MangaStudio, then export. This will rasterize every layer and tone and it should export perfectly. However, the first method usually solves the issue.

If you are having the same trouble please add me on skype. I should still have my username on my profile or you can note me.
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MajorBrons Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
awesome. I'll try both of those, thanks so much for your quick reply man.
I'll hit you back up here after I've tried to tell you how it goes!
Thanks again dude!
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem! Happy to help <3
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MajorBrons Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, update time:

1. Worked right up to the exporting phase, which seems to be the issue. Whenever I have to compress the image that's when all layer properties are lost and smashed together. I've been using photoshop for a long time and I thought there was a way to compress all the layers without changing any layer settings so it looks the same compressed as it does when it's still in it's layered form. As of writing this I still don't know how to go about doing that.

2. Same issue unfortunately, it's the compressing the page into a jpeg that destroys any subtleties.

The only thing that worked a little bit was dropping the problem layer (The light effects layer) waaaaay low, like at 10% low and exporting it that way. Doesn't look like the page I see in my MangaStudio program but it's closer that it was when I left everything as how it was before.
I think anyway. I tried so many different ways of exporting the page that I've started to lose track of how I'm going about it.

It seems that an issue like this would of been noticed/fixed way back at MS2 times. Unless I'm doing something wrong, which is entirely possible.
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1. It should work but often photoshop gives an incorrect zoom. Make sure to view it with windows photoviewer or privately in stash incase it's a photoshop zoom issue. By default PS doesn't show tones at 100% quality and sometimes it's just the internal viewer showing up the issue. What exactly were you using/doing?

2. Ok now I know what's wrong. You never ever ever use JPEG for manga pages ever. Always use PNG. Jpeg is a file format only for photo's and the only reason that artists that know about it, use it, is because they want a JPEG to purposely not post full quality and size but if you save a PNG right it can be as small as a JPEG. PNG is the proper format for high quality and detailed art and should really be what you save as first and if you want a JPEG for whatever reason, you save it from the PNG file since all the compression info is already done.  JPEG art is usually used for a lower quality online preview. Saving from PNG should fix your issue completely. JPEG compresses differently which is why it keeps making those weird gaps with white tones since it determines it as useless information and just deletes it. If you PNG it first, information is saved and converted properly, but be wary that JPEG from a PNG will cause some blurring since you will technically be compressing a second time.

Unfortunately this is a compression issue that is unavoidable and Clip Studio Paint Pro (MangaStudio 5) has more or less fixed this but white tones will still screw up from time to time, just less frequently. Unless you are working for a company that wants JPEG's, try not to ever use them and get into the habit of PNG's. You'll save yourself a lot more trouble and pain. That and every website can upload PNG these days with the exception of a few fussy ones. If you're using SmackJeeves and need the JPEG, I have to PNG and then JPEG everytime it works perfectly every time with or without white tones except once in a while it screws up but it's extremely rare.

If saving a JPEG from a PNG doesn't work please do contact me again because there's still a few things we can do to make it work. Also, good luck and I'm sorry this is causing you so much trouble >.<
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MajorBrons Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really? Hm. Okay, I'll try the png. then. I don't have to use JPEGs, I just normally export that file format out of habit more than anything else.
(I edit a lot of photo work at my day job)
I thought I tried using a png before and the preview picture showed me that the white was all blown out, but I'll definitely give it another shot. I might of been doing something different.
And there's no need to apologize you're being extremely helpful, even if the results aren't what I'm looking for, you're still taking time and energy out of your day to help a stranger. I really appreciate that :)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah just if the PNG fails check it's settings because it has more options on the type of compression unlike JPEG. If it fails again, I'd be happy to convert it in CSP for you so it's nice and clean and you have your page. If you're having this much trouble I would honestly recommend you trying to get Clip Studio Paint Pro. It's one of the reasons why I upgraded.

Also, it's no problem. I like helping out. I remember what it was like to learn this program without any help and how much it would have meant to me to even get a little advice. I just try be as helpful as I can ^w^ I am sorry this is causing you so much hassle. There's those random and rare times where MS4 just will not co-operate and yet on another page similar it works fine and I can't explain why. If everything I said fails, try recolouring the white in 5% grey, but do the recolour on a saved copy in case you hate it. This might stop the gaping hole problem but still look white to the viewer. I do remember resorting to 5% instead of pure white in the past when I use to do shojo.
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tinytee2000 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i got a question: why does the color in my manga studio come out gray? i see other people using it just fine while mine comes out gray and doesn't show any color.
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You might not have it set to a tone layer. It's very easy to change over. Sometimes it's a flat grey because it's on the wrong layer type but it's fairly quick to fix. Would you like to know how?
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tinytee2000 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
thank you don't worry i'll figure it out myself. Thank you again
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you sure? It's no trouble at all. If you get really stuck, right click the layer, change layer type and set it to halftone rasterize and you should be fine from there. Other times it's just how the zoom functions and it's a displaying method.
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tinytee2000 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Thank you so muchManaka Hugs Miuna 
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome. If you have any more problems please don't hesitate to ask <3
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tinytee2000 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Student Digital Artist
thanks I'll remember thatToy Chica blushing 
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No probs <3
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20715757soIWontForge Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Student General Artist
to rasterize the tone layer is a good way but it becomes a draw layer, that will be a trouble if you need to change it in the future. The common way to show the dots is easier.
1 when you create a new tone layer you can change the darkness, the spot (or diamond, line, etc), the angle and there is a fiels called lines
            - in my version the default value was 60, if you change it to a smaller value it will change the proportion and size of the sptos so the darkness wont change

2 if you don't know what value you need don't worry, you can change it later in the layer settings. there you can change everithing again, like darkness, gradiation, angle, etc
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this is for an earlier version for an issue during export. This step was to make sure it would export as tones and this was the only solution. Since then the bug has been fixed and can be edited to no longer occur during export allowing tone layers to remain tone layers.
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MissChibiArtist Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Ah! Thanks so much for this! This was exactly what I was looking for. ^ . ^
And I was wondering if there was a generic dot size that mangakas use for screentones, or if it is just whatever you want.
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome <3 I'm very glad it helped you out ^w^

There is an industry standard but as the size of the paper changes, so do the dots. Most artists however choose what they like but if you plan to print, you'll find you need to lighten your tones considerably since it comes out much darker on paper which is why a lot of the tones are in light colours on the raw image. Generally speaking skin colour is 5% to 15% grey with dot sizes between 30 to 60 on B4 paper. Most but not all manga is generally created on B4 paper/artist board. After I learned that I found selecting B4 or A3 paper to be one of the best choices. Toning got a lot easier after that.

Also there's an option to group tones and when the folder is closed you can view all tones as Rasterized if the folder is closed. You might also find that helpful too ^w^ I did. If you need help with this program in future or get stuck, feel free to ask me any time.
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MissChibiArtist Featured By Owner May 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Awesome! Thanks!
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner May 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no probs ^w^
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Dark-Merchant Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
so are my tones supposed to look like this for web viewing? (backgrounds in panels 1 and 3) [link]
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