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Enviro Prac 1 by DraconianRain Enviro Prac 1 by DraconianRain
I had no focus, no point just painting. I couldn't think of anything so I scribbled a lot and made a painting from the scribble. Kind of like when you watch clouds and see a shape. This was the best I could do. And this is as far as I could take it because I didn't know how to paint the rock texture or where to go from here or how exactly to take it further and make it more detailed. I wanted to make it more detailed and nicer but it was a no go. Also this is a one layer painting. I used sharpen towards the end
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Churchx Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
Okay, first I'm no master but i hope this information will help when you're painting!
You need to focus on a few things before you ever start worrying about textures! 
first, composition, what is the focus of the painting? where are you trying to draw the interest of the viewer? What is the perspective or where do the vanishing points go? 
Next, colour and light. you got a good sense of contrast but your sense of lighting needs work
Lastly work on the edges, you can render a rock all you like but at the end of the day it will never look right if it has soft edges.

If you want to know how you can improve on these things, here are a few things you can do:
1. Master Studies (Old masters like John Singer Sergent and Frederic Edwin Church) This will help with composition and colour.
2. Photo Studies will help with form and edges and also texture.
3. Imaginative studies, take what you've learned and put it into practice.

Lastly, here are a few places you should check out for input and advice :)

Remember to take your time when painting, its not race, no one will tell you off for spending 30 hours on a painting, work out all the the problems on your own time and you will finish with a piece you can be happy with :) keep it up!! 
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please don't be offended but I am well aware of all of these things. I tried two years this way only to produce nothing. It stressed me out so much that I spent more time worrying than doing. But then I found FZDSchool on youtube. His advice to absolute beginners in one video was to just draw, don't worry about how it looks or the perspective, worry about that later when you become more familiar and when you start to produce an idea of your painting and try to learn from all the mistakes so next time you might have an idea to focus on and also to persevere to the very end and it's working for me personally. I really recommend checking out some of his videos, he's very inspiring and I have seen several helpful things about painting and perspective as well as other various tips watching his videos www.youtube.com/user/FZDSCHOOL….

My teacher from high school also said this to me and it's how I got better at painting people until I was ready to have focus and use guidelines, because you will learn something if you at least try and do it even if it's bad and not done properly, it gives you guidance and more experience for the next painting. In 2yrs trying the way you mentioned, I spent more time worrying or fixing perspective than painting and learning to draw and paint rocks and landscape. So I'm trying to start from the absolute bottom up and too I am very much a character artist and spent to much time on one subject so my skills are spoiled a bit for landscape. Even more so, because I do a lot of toon style so my colouring is very skew wiff at the moment. I do greatly appreciate you taking this time and I hope others will find this helpful because I am positive that they will, but for me personally this approach is too soon and stressful. I'm also aware of Chris Oatley, I follow him here on DA and he told me some very encouraging words about other artists that are colour blind or having trouble seeing colour like others. He's really nice and I have enjoyed his tutorials that I've watched but personally some of the methods don't suit the type of ways I learn how do things. Also the other links are amazing, thank you for sharing!! I will check them out more thoroughly later.

Please too, I am not exactly colour blind but I am with in specific colour ranges. I think it was called hue discrimination if I remember correctly but it effects my colouring when I try anything natural. I generally use outrageous colours because I can see them clearly enough to tell them apart. This is not an excuse by any means, but I know technically my lighting is bad, it's just very difficult for me to see or to see why because how I see the colour hue values, it looks fine to me. However I have learned to turn my art greyscale and the errors become glaringly obvious and I hope anyone else with the same problem will read this and try it out because it really helps you see where you need to improve lighting or shadows. This year I plan to use the greyscale painting method so I can learn better colour values and lighting and too, black and white is always easy to see and at least that way I can learn to do it better. It is a great method to start out in just black and white and colour last. The only reason I didn't do it sooner was because I didn't know how to use a combination of overlay and softlight to colour along with masking but now I am starting to get how to use it properly. I can not light and shade properly like others simply because I can not tell between many hues but after discovering the greyscale method, which I can see and judge clearly I have higher hopes to improve. I get a little touchy when it's pointed out but I do very much appreciate your polite attitude, you're one of very few too tell me without being rude about it and it is extremely appreciated. I will work on lighting as much as I can this year, I just have to find a way to do so to compensate for what I can not see properly, try it out and hope for the best.

1. This didn't help me personally but thank you for being specific because someone else will definitely find it useful. Doing 3D work and various 3D art however did help me learn more about composition and focal points but it also taught me a lot about how to think 3D when I painted and be more aware of depth. My biggest problem was always bad depth perception when I painted. And I learned more about composition guides during this as well. Thank you though.
2. Would love to find more of these but am having trouble finding ones I would be allowed to use for study. I wouldn't want to infringe or offend other artists since I respect what photographers do, and I don't have money to buy stock photo's. If I can't find any I want to start taking my own references when I am out and about.
3. Trying to reach this point with other methods until I am good enough to draw with perspective but as I said, super baby steps for me first. And again, I'm certain someone else will find this useful.

Also lol Very aware of this factor. My best paintings have been 6months long. But this is always the best advice to anyone of any level especially for grounding people like me that worry to much. And thank you for sharing your advice and taking the time to do so. It is appreciated and it's wonderful to see Deviant Artists being so helpful in a well mannered tone. I hope I haven't offended you and I don't mean to be difficult but I did genuinely try but it's just not a method for me that works. I can not say thank you enough though for your thoughtfulness and attitude.
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Churchx Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
I'm not offended so don't fret about it!  :)

Ps with master studies you want to find artists that are... dead... copying artist like Feng Zhu or any artists you like can be problematic because your taste is personal,  History has a way of removing the good artists from the great artists!

Good luck with your art! x
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah but Australian Copyright laws can still be quite touchy even then. It's the only thing that puts me off is when it becomes a matter of international law and ours are going through a big change at the moment too. I'll get through it eventually. If I'm lucky I might be able to pick up a book for exactly this issue.

Thank you and you too. Keep up the good work and helping out. Need more artists like you in the world ^w^
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Churchx Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
Aww shucks :P
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SilentAndSullen Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This super helped me too! THANKS! :D
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Churchx Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
no problem :)
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